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Henry Moses Theologian


Number of posts: 1138 Age: 36 Year came to Christ: 1981 Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Fri May 20, 2011 3:24 pm | |
| So I have someone who is very close to me that is struggling with smoking and believes it will cause her to go to hell. She asked me to study it and I'm going to and while I have my thoughts on it, I want to hear yours. She is a very Godly woman and loves Christ with all her heart but this devastates her and I need your help and prayer for her. _________________ So say we all!
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Scott woodring Deacon


Number of posts: 664 Age: 58 Year came to Christ: 1960 Registration date: 2010-12-17
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Fri May 20, 2011 8:55 pm | |
| I do not have a lot of time to give an opinion right now, I will try to do more latter. One scripture that immediately comes to mind is. Romans 8 1-10
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Smoking absolutely will not send you to hell, (It may kill you) In fact it might be hard to prove that it is a sin. It is not a good Idea to smoke DUH!!!!!!! but It will not send you to hell just maybe to heaven a little early.
Jesus loves smokers, non smokers too Scott _________________ A hero does what’s right even if it costs them everything!!!  |
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Myles Barfield Theologian


Number of posts: 1873 Age: 38 Year came to Christ: 1986 Registration date: 2007-06-28
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Tue May 24, 2011 1:00 pm | |
| My thought is, "Will any addiction send you to Hell?" In itself I would say no...but what if that addiction took priority over God, what do you think about that one Scott... _________________ http://myles-barfield.blogspot.com/
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Sue Woodring Vicar


Number of posts: 438 Age: 59 Year came to Christ: 1965 Registration date: 2010-12-20
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Tue May 24, 2011 1:50 pm | |
| I still don't think it will send you to hell. As far as I can tell, the only sins that will send you to hell is refusing to accept the sacrifice that Jesus made for you (confessing Him Lord of your life and believing in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead) and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. We already have a discussion on what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
With that said, I do think that there are things in our life that can seriously affect our relationship with the Lord. I think that if you are convicted about quitting and refuse to quit, it could lead to a serious sin of rebellion. And from what I read in Hebrews, that rebellion can lead you to a place where you walk away from your salvation.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 10:23-27 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering (for He is faithful who promised), and let us consider one another to provoke to love and to good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Note that this talks about sinning willfully after we have received knowledge of the truth.
Heb 12:1 Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Heb 12:2 looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right of the throne of God.
Here's the thing.....it is a matter of interpretation as to whether smoking is a "sin" or not. Smoking will not send you to hell. If God has convicted you of it and you are rebellious about His conviction, you are walking in dangerous territory in my opinion - because that leads to the danger of you walking away from your salvation. _________________ When I am weak, then I am strong!  |
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Scott woodring Deacon


Number of posts: 664 Age: 58 Year came to Christ: 1960 Registration date: 2010-12-17
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Tue May 24, 2011 2:22 pm | |
| Myles, The great thing about being married to Sue is that she is so smart and I agree with her so, It saves me a lot of time typing.
I'm forgiven Scott _________________ A hero does what’s right even if it costs them everything!!!  |
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skipp phipps Vicar


Number of posts: 510 Age: 39 Year came to Christ: 1980 Registration date: 2011-01-12
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Wed May 25, 2011 7:57 am | |
| interesting stuff and great responses. For me the quick answer is no....smoking will no more send you to hell then will over eating, eating fast food, lack of excersice etc. They are all things that bring us some sort of enjoyment but are not for our good or God's glory. Simply put, these things make us less useful to God's purposes. If I smoke, I will most likely live less of a life and a less active life...this makes it where God can do less through me. We should all work to be more useful to God....but the truth is, we all have things that we allow to enslave us. We should offer support to follow through with the things that God is convicting in us to change, when he wants us to change them and make sure we don't offer condemnation. |
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Myles Barfield Theologian


Number of posts: 1873 Age: 38 Year came to Christ: 1986 Registration date: 2007-06-28
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Wed May 25, 2011 11:18 am | |
| | skipp phipps wrote: | | we all have things that we allow to enslave us. |
I like that term! To be specific how you said "we allow"...in effect we have sold ourselves into slavory. A thought that growing up always seamed insane to me, and terrifying! ...and to funny Scott! _________________ http://myles-barfield.blogspot.com/
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skipp phipps Vicar


Number of posts: 510 Age: 39 Year came to Christ: 1980 Registration date: 2011-01-12
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Wed May 25, 2011 9:49 pm | |
| I had another thought.....I wonder if the question doesn't reveal the issue. If we simply live for later.....(heaven) we aren't living for him now. If we ask a question worried about what will keep me from heaven, that shows that....that is what our heart is really concerned with..hell insurance. LOL.....We should encourage someone in this position, and someone should encourage me if I am in the same position, to pursue living for God now! Eternal life starts the day you accept Jesus! |
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Scott woodring Deacon


Number of posts: 664 Age: 58 Year came to Christ: 1960 Registration date: 2010-12-17
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Fri May 27, 2011 6:30 am | |
| Quote “we all have things that we allow to enslave us.”
I think there are at least two things here,
First sometimes we do not know we are allowing ourselves to be enslaved, we just feel enslaved.
Second, I read this thought somewhere maybe here on the upper room, that we get so used to being enslaved that we don’t even know we are a slave to This or that sin.
Romans chapters 8 and 9 deal with this problem of being a slave to sin. I think that a lot of the answers are in these chapters. Here is a portion of what is says.
Rom 7:15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Rom 7:16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. Rom 7:21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, Rom 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Another key is in this verse,
Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
I think that we often get this backwards we try to resist the flesh, instead of dedicating ourselves to walking in the spirit.
I have been trying my whole life to resist overeating and it has not worked yet! DUH or maybe double DUH!!!
I am alive in him Scott
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Christi Ashley Parishiner

Number of posts: 68 Age: 34 Year came to Christ: 1986 Registration date: 2011-05-24
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Sat May 28, 2011 1:04 am | |
| As a recovering addict myself, of many things, I would say that I agree with various posts already written...If your addiction is keeping you from being able to grow closer to God due to guilt then that is def sin. Also, if she is feeling convicted about her sin, I wouldn't say that she's necessarily hellbound but more that God wants her to quit for a reason...she will have to go with her heart to find what that reason is. |
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Scott woodring Deacon


Number of posts: 664 Age: 58 Year came to Christ: 1960 Registration date: 2010-12-17
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Sat May 28, 2011 7:43 am | |
| Christi, Quote "If your addiction is keeping you from being able to grow closer to God due to guilt then that is def sin". That is a great observation.
Jesus loves me. Scott _________________ A hero does what’s right even if it costs them everything!!!  |
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Henry Moses Theologian


Number of posts: 1138 Age: 36 Year came to Christ: 1981 Registration date: 2007-07-09
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Sat May 28, 2011 11:16 am | |
| Hey guys, this is all GREAT stuff and I plan on using it all in my talk with her! It is my Mother, by the way so those of you that know her and love her, please be praying. These are going to be great tools for me to use in my response to her and I really appreciate your help and love and grace! Keep doing what you do, through Christ! _________________ So say we all!
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kingsdaughter311 Believer

Number of posts: 5 Age: 31 Year came to Christ: 1986 Registration date: 2011-01-14
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Sat May 28, 2011 1:14 pm | |
| Do, I believe that addictions can send people to hell, no I don't. It most definitely can cloud your relationship with God but not send someone there. Think of it from the shoes of someone addicted; who are they crying out to and it is usually to set them free from their addiction. Only God can heal and restore and return that which was stolen. The more time a person spends with God the less the addiction will have a hold and when that person is finally ready to let God break the chains then He will stay true to His word; however once set free it will be a battle because the enemy will temp with that former addiction to cause a stumble and it is up to us as Christians to be a strength to our friends and if we see them going in a direction that may cause them to stumble to be an armor bearer to them and lift them up. |
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Sue Woodring Vicar


Number of posts: 438 Age: 59 Year came to Christ: 1965 Registration date: 2010-12-20
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Sat May 28, 2011 5:07 pm | |
| Right on, Kingsdaughter! _________________ When I am weak, then I am strong!  |
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Myles Barfield Theologian


Number of posts: 1873 Age: 38 Year came to Christ: 1986 Registration date: 2007-06-28
 | Subject: Re: Will smoking cigarettes send you to hell? Sun May 29, 2011 9:35 am | |
| Although I still do not really feel smoking will be the cause of anyones "damnation to eternal death (Dramatic huh ) "The Bible does command us not to allow our bodies to become "mastered" by anything. A trap that we could fall into here is "Everything is permissible for me" When it would be better to live by the Moto (reminder) that "Not everything is beneficial to me." Everything is permissible for me—but I will not be mastered by anything" (1 Corinthians 6:12). In our society here in the USA we dont like being "under" the rule of anyone or anything...we are independant...right? Smoking is undeniably strongly addictive! Therefore it IS your master! As I said earlier though this could be said for any addiction.I believe this has already been mentioned within this TOPIC...but...In the same passage mentioned above we are told, "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). Smoking is undoubtedly very bad for your health. Smoking has been proven to damage the lungs and the heart, as well as birth defects, it cuases damage to your loved ones as you smoke around them...So my question (as a Non-Smoker of course) is...why would you want to? _________________ http://myles-barfield.blogspot.com/
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